There is Not Enough Memory to Continue Major Bbs
What this means is that your system is running low on either physical or virtual memory. If you haven't changed anything on your system recently, this could be caused by malware running in the background.
To start with, do you have a 32-bit or 64-bit version of Windows 7? If you're not sure, click Start, right-click Computer, and select Properties. Look for "System type" in the middle of the page.
How much free space is on your system drive? Press the "Windows Logo" key and the "E" key simultaneously. Then right-click on the system drive (almost certainly "Local Disk (C:)") and select Properties. What is the Used Space, Free Space, and Capacity?
What are you using for an antivirus program? Have you kept it up to date?
Click Start, type Resource Monitor in the Search box, and press Enter. Select the "Memory" tab. What are your values for Available, Cached, Total, and Installed memory?
You can sort the table at the top of the "Memory" tab by clicking the labels in the header row. Sort by "Commit (KB)" and what are the 3 or 4 top processes? Is there anything in the list of processes that looks unfamiliar?
For a brief explanation of the Memory tab or Resource Monitor, see https://www.techrepublic.com/blog/the-enterprise-cloud/use-resource-monitor-for-memory-monitoring/
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Hi LemP:
...and many thanks for your suggestions, and here is my response to most of your questions:
- I have 32-bit Version of Windows 7 (Home Premium) & Intel Pentium IV- I'm absolutely sure I will find one or even several of the 'bad culprits' which might happening as 'abuse of my already too low' Memory ... I've started using computers in 1985, and to this day I completely despise all these basically useless and my computer-productivity reducing programs which secretly 'sneak into' my PC-configuration system and start making 'unwelcome' changes, especially in the background (!!!) so - I'm going to drastically increase hunting after them like after infectious diseases ...!
FIRST thing I've just found to my shocking surprise was that a certain Program-update or 'crazy utility' lowered the Virtual Memory size from original setting of 3,050 MB made decades ago to 1,700 MB only (!) - so of course I've immediately increased the Virtual Memory back to 3,050 MB as it was 'surprisingly suggested' even by the Windows itself ! Another shocking thing: I've observed in the Task Manager the 'Processes' and how much Memory they're regularly wasting, and here are the results:
- the WORST culprit is actually my Mozilla- Email Program Thunderbird with 148,000-152,000 K (!)
- the SECOND WORST is MICROSOFT's 'Antimalware Service Executable' called as 'Microsoft Malware Protection' wasting 90,000-120,000 K of Memory
- and the 3rd WORST is the Microsoft's popular Utility Program called 'svchost.exe' of which I found 16 'various' copies of this Utility marked as 'SYSTEM' & 'NETWORK SERVICE' type of files wasting 57,000-59,000 K ...! Shouldn't I remove these - are they 'normal' ?!?
- how useful are the activity restrictions listed in the 'Processes' section - 'Set Priorities' and 'Set Affinity' ...any advice how to use these Options to control excessive use of Memory?
- One more question which may not be directly related to Memory consumption: what is MOST OFTEN causing 'sound glitches' in Windows: I have Pentium IV PC (using Windows 7 Home Premium) in a relatively well-maintained condition, and I'm using it MAINLY for making MIDI-arrangements using various Sequencers like BIAB, MasterTracks, etc., and recently I'm experiencing some 'sound glitches' during playback MIDI files within any Sequencer which I did NOT have in my system BEFORE and which is largely unchanged for few years. Could you suggest what is the MOST COMMONLY cause of this annoying 'cracking glitches' which of course would then show up also in the RECORDING of a sequence.
I could Email you more tech-info re my PC-configuration and a list of my observations re this issue so - will you please send me a list of the MOST CRITICAL settings in my PC which could MOST FREQUENTLY be causing these 'sound glitches', and I'd then quickly send you the info you would like to have to determine possible and effective steps to take in my PC-configuration to eliminate this problem.
In advance - many thanks ...!
Tony H.
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I've started using computers in 1985, and to this day ...........
In this case you will appreciate Office 2010 Home - Business 2010 RETAIL in which the Outlook using 35 Megs (64x Win7 Pro).
This forum is not specialized for PC issues that music creators facing.
The quality of your sound card, ASIO drivers age, and the golden rule to not run more than five plugins simultaneously this is what it is your obligation to monitor and look after.
Pentium 4 quad core, this is required among with 4GB of ram.
Another golden advice this is you to create additional user profile, just for music editing, in which start up menu will not load unrelated software (antivirus- email - messengers - other ).
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I have 32-bit Version of Windows 7 (Home Premium) & Intel Pentium IV
Unfortunately, 32-bit versions of Windows are limited to 4 GB of RAM, which amounts to about 3 to 3.5 GB of usable RAM (because Windows allocates some of the memory addresses to physical devices installed in your computer), so you don't have the option of adding more physical memory to your system. Pentium 4 CPUs were shipped from November 20, 2000, until August 8, 2008, so your system is probably over 12 years old and nearing 20. It's not really surprising that your computer has performance issues.
FIRST thing I've just found to my shocking surprise was that a certain Program-update or 'crazy utility' lowered the Virtual Memory size from original setting of 3,050 MB made decades ago to 1,700 MB only (!) - so of course I've immediately increased the Virtual Memory back to 3,050 MB as it was 'surprisingly suggested' even by the Windows itself !
Whatever caused the reduction of the page file size, that's very likely the cause of your "low on memory" warnings.
Running "system tuneup" utilities or "registry cleaners" or similar programs is never a good idea. Windows 7 actually does a pretty good job of keeping the system "tuned up" properly. With respect to virtual memory, you should leave the settings at "Automatically manage paging file size for all drives" and make sure that "System managed size" is checked. Of course, the paging file requires space on your hard drive, so it's important that your system drive always have enough free space to accommodate the maximum size of the paging file. I've seen suggestions that the system drive should never be more than about 80% full.
Another shocking thing: I've observed in the Task Manager the 'Processes' and how much Memory they're regularly wasting, and here are the results:
Processes don't "waste" memory. They use as much memory as they need to run efficiently. In addition, it's highly likely that you're misinterpreting the information you're looking at. You would be very far from the only one to do so. Read this article, published shortly after Windows 7 was released, to get a good explanation of what Windows 7 is doing with "memory" https://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-7-memory-usage-whats-the-best-way-to-measure/ The article concludes: "In short, Windows 7 (unlike XP and earlier Windows versions) goes by the philosophy that empty RAM is wasted RAM and tries to keep it as full as possible, without impacting performance." You might also take a look at both replies here: https://superuser.com/questions/1219888/i-dont-understand-ram-usage
how useful are the activity restrictions listed in the 'Processes' section - 'Set Priorities' and 'Set Affinity' ...any advice how to use these Options to control excessive use of Memory?
Do NOT use these features. For a complicated explanation of "priority," see https://superuser.com/questions/964382/how-do-priorities-work-on-task-manager-and-when-should-nt-i-set-this (you can skip down to the "conclusion"). "Affinity" indicates what processor a process can run on. Even if you wanted to fiddle with this (you shouldn't), in your case you can't, because you have only one processor.
the 3rd WORST is the Microsoft's popular Utility Program called 'svchost.exe' of which I found 16 'various' copies of this Utility marked as 'SYSTEM' & 'NETWORK SERVICE' type of files wasting 57,000-59,000 K ...! Shouldn't I remove these - are they 'normal' ?!?
Svchost.exe isn't a "utility program." The name stands for "Service Host," which means that this is an "executable" (*.exe) program that "hosts" services that run using "Dynamic Link Libraries" or DLL files. Because DLL files can not execute on their own, they have to be run under the auspices of some executable program -- that's svchost.exe. You shouldn't -- actually you can't easily -- "remove" these processes.
If you want to see what services are being hosted by a given instance of svchost.exe, right-click the svchost.exe entry (on the Processes tab of Task Manager) and select "Go to Service(s)" where the services hosted by that instance will be highlighted. If you have the "PID" column selected in Task Manager (with the Processes tab selected, click View > Select Columns) you'll see that the PID (Program IDentifier) is the same for the instance of svchost.exe and the services that it hosts.
For more detail, see https://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-vista/what-is-svchostexe-and-why-is-it-running/ and https://www.groovypost.com/howto/howto/what-is-svchost-exe-safe-why-running/
If you really want to get into "tweaking" your system by pruning the services that are permitted to run, this site is the best place to start reading: http://www.blackviper.com/service-configurations/black-vipers-windows-7-service-pack-1-service-configurations/
One more question which may not be directly related to Memory consumption: what is MOST OFTEN causing 'sound glitches' in Windows: I have Pentium IV PC (using Windows 7 Home Premium) in a relatively well-maintained condition, and I'm using it MAINLY for making MIDI-arrangements using various Sequencers like BIAB, MasterTracks, etc., and recently I'm experiencing some 'sound glitches' during playback MIDI files within any Sequencer which I did NOT have in my system BEFORE and which is largely unchanged for few years. Could you suggest what is the MOST COMMONLY cause of this annoying 'cracking glitches' which of course would then show up also in the RECORDING of a sequence.
As long as your page file setting is "System managed" and you're not actually getting the "low virtual memory" warnings, my guess is that sound glitches during playback are caused by your system being overtaxed. You say that you didn't used to get these problems before, but you likely aren't running the same programs (in addition to your sound editing programs) now as you did then. As computers grew in power -- including faster, multi-core, multi-threaded CPUs, more and faster RAM, larger hard drives and fast solid state drives -- programs like Thunderbird and others you may have running have evolved to take advantage of those hardware advances. Yes, these programs will still run on older hardware, but they may not make as efficient use of the hardware because today's hardware is more forgiving of not-so-efficient software.
On a Pentium 4 computer with 4 GB of physical RAM, I'd suggest that while you're using your music programs, you close all other programs, e.g., Thunderbird, and make sure that your antivirus program isn't going to initiate a full-system scan .
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Hi LemP:
...and MANY THANKS for your very valuable advice & suggestions regarding the 'proper' settings of my Windows 7 in VIEW of my applications as described below.
However, I'd like to follow up on your comments as follows:
- Yes, my PENTIUM IV is older but ...don't I have duo-processors ---> 2 processors as stated in my PC/Windows Specs:
Processor: Intel(R) Pentium(R) D CPU 3.20GHz, 3194 Mhz, 2 Core(s), 2 Logical Processor(s) ...? PLEASE EXPLAIN.
- Re your advice concerning the use of the "Priority" advice:
Do NOT use these features. For a complicated explanation of "priority," see https://superuser.com/questions/964382/how-do-priorities-work-on-task-manager-and-when-should-nt-i-set-this (you can skip down to the "conclusion"). "Affinity" indicates what processor a process can run on. Even if you wanted to fiddle with this (you shouldn't), in your case you can't, because you have only one processor
...I JUST WANTED to understand the PURPOSE for those several "Priority" Options offered in Windows - PLEASE FURTHER EXPLAIN.
- and now a VERY CRITICAL & IMPORTANT issue for my present PC Configuration - PLEASE offer pretty detailed list of Options & Advice: I'm planning to UPGRADE my WINDOWS 7 Version to EITHER Windows 8.1 OR Windows 10 Home Premium, so I need to know which of these 2 Windows Versions would be the MOST COMPATIBLE to my use of some EXCELLENT MUSIC (MIDI-Sequencers) and VIDEO Software - since I've heard/researched from some accomplished musicians & video producers/experts about their discoveries of finding some limited compatibility of these 8.1 & 10 Windows Versions with some so-called 'legacy' software, which are otherwise superior in terms of SOUND QUALITY and EDITING ABILITIES known & demonstrated by comparison between AUDIO/DIGITAL and MIDI-based (non-audio) BUT more closely-related to 'Analog'-SOUND QUALITY Software.
Your earlier reply would be greatly appreciated ...!
Best regards,
Tony H.
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Traditionally, the "brains" of a computer -- the central processing unit or CPU -- was a single unit.
Intel introduced the first Pentium microprocessor in 1993. Over the next several years, Intel kept improving the Pentium until in May 2005, it introduced the Pentium D (a successor to the Pentium 4). The Pentium D is known as a "dual core" processor. Each Pentium D CPU comprised two blocks of semiconductor material, each containing a single core, residing next to each other on a multi-chip module package. In fact, the Pentium D was essentially two Pentium 4 CPUs in a single package (link). Wikipedia explains:
The dual-core CPU is capable of running multi-threaded applications typical in transcoding of audio and video, compressing, photo and video editing and rendering, and ray-tracing. Single-threaded applications, including most older games, do not benefit much from a second core compared to an equally clocked single-core CPU. Nevertheless, the dual-core CPU is useful to run both the client and server processes of a game without noticeable lag in either thread, as each instance could be running on a different core. Furthermore, multi-threaded games benefit from dual-core CPUs.
In 2008, many business applications were not optimized for multiple cores. They ran at similar speed when not multitasking on the Pentium D or older Pentium 4 branded CPUs at the same clock speed. However, in multitasking environments such as BSD, Linux, Microsoft Windows operating systems, other processes are often running at the same time; if they require significant CPU time, each core of the Pentium D branded processor can handle different programs, improving overall processing speed over its single-core Pentium 4 counterpart.
So, yes, you have 2 "logical processors." On the other hand, you initially said that you had a Pentium IV (Pentium 4) processor, which has only one core, which is why I said that the "Affinity" setting wouldn't apply to you. A Pentium D is
I can't explain the "Priority" setting in the Task Manager "Processes" tab any better than the explanation from Jamie Hanrahan at the link I provided earlier (https://superuser.com/questions/964382/how-do-priorities-work-on-task-manager-and-when-should-nt-i-set-this).
When you re-read that explanation, don't get confused by "hyper-threading." Except for the Pentium D Extreme Edition, Pentium D units did not have hyper-threading.
Here's Jamie's conclusion, which sums up the issue of process priority pretty well:
It is reasonable to leave most things at "Normal". If you don't, you can easily end up starving something that you'd really like to have working (even though you might not know that it exists), like the OS's disk cache flushing functions. Indeed, many of the OS's processes will be at other than Normal, and they should be left wherever Windows put them.
A reasonable case for using Task Manager for fiddling with priorities is if you have some CPU-hogging task (like video or 3D rendering) and it's slowing down your use of the system while it's running. The right thing is, believe it or not, to lower its priority by a notch or two. It will happily use all of the CPU cycles nothing else wants but will stay out of the way of your interactive use of the system. It may take a little longer to get its work done, but it will get its work done with minimal interference to your interactive use of other programs. If you don't like that tradeoff, don't do it! But set it to a high priority in an attempt "to make it go faster" and it may hang your entire UI until it's finished.
If you really want to know more, buy a copy of Windows Internals 6th Edition by Solomon, Russinovich, and Ionescu. Or start here: Reference: https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdownload.microsoft.com%2Fdownload%2F1%2F4%2F0%2F14045a9e-c978-47d1-954b-92b9fd877995%2F97807356648739_samplechapters.pdf This is a set of excerpts from Windows Internals 6th Ed. by Solomon, Russinovich, et al. The material you want begins on page 62 of the PDF, actual book page number 408.
As far as advice concerning specialized music and video software is concerned, I can't help you. You seem to already be looking in the right places ("accomplished musicians & video producers/experts").
What I can suggest is that you avoid Windows 8.1. Microsoft ended "mainstream support" for Windows 8.1 on January 9, 2018, and Extended Support will end on January 10, 2023.
You should go directly to Windows 10 -- if the older versions of the software you want to use is able to run on Windows 10. And for that information, you'll have to go to the software publishers.
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Hi LemP:
Thanks for your reply and advice - as it looks like, I'll be going directly to Windows 10 hoping that my preferred and specialized Software will be working OK ...
Tony H.
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Out of curiosity are you planning on going directly to Windows 10 on this system of unspecified make and model or another system?
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Hi ElderN:
I was trying to get an advice about the compatibility of Windows 8.1 OR 10 to my existing Software using on my Windows 7 Home Pentium on my PENTIUM D PC, and has been recommended to upgrade directly to Windows 10 rather than to Windows 8.1: however, I'm pretty puzzled about it in view of the reports from some other experienced users finding a number of Windows 10-incompatibilities with certain 'legacy' music & video dedicated Software because of some undesirable changes Microsoft has made.
What is your opinion about it, and do you have a better suggestion or advice ...?
Tony H.
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There is no upgrade path from 7 to 8.1 so you would have to buy that and hope all your hardware and software still (everything would have to be reinstalled from scratch).
You might be able to upgrade to Windows 10 but that depends on hardware AND software compatibility.
It sounds like you have some very specific software that you like to use/depend on to work and we can't tell you if those are going to work with Windows 10 (like LemP says - you;ll have to check with the software publishers). I think I would be a little worried about that compatibility especially if the software has some years on it. It would probably all have to be reinstalled and adjusted/tweaked to get back to the same settings you have and like now. Of course lots of people are determined to just stick with Windows 7 in spite of potential security risks since MS is no longer putting out security patches (but they are keeping MSE updated). That was fine with me for a long time since I don't surf too close to the metal.
It took me a long time to finally switch to Windows 10 primarily (just weeks ago) since my hardware was old and 32-bit only. I still have that Windows 7 system running though because every now and then I find I need something or another from it to bring over to the Windows 10 system (and I can still help Windows 7 users). So now I have a nice hot Windows 10 system and and lukewarm Windows 7 system if/when I need it.
Manufacturers like Dell and HP have lists of models that they have tested with Windows 10 on their WWW sites. If your system is bespoke (handcrafted) you will have to figure out what motherboard you have and see if they have Windows 10 drivers.
If you want to post some system details somebody could help you check at least hardware compatibility if you do this:
What is your system make and model or is it something assembled from separately purchased components?
If the system is a Dell what is the Service Tag Number?
If the system is an HP what is the serial number?
If the system is a Toshiba what is the serial number?
If the system is a Lenovo what is the serial number?
Describe your antivirus/antimalware environment.
Do this so we can see what you have.
Click Start, Run and in the box enter:
msinfo32
Click OK, and when the System Summary info appears, click Edit, Select All (Ctrl-A), Copy (Ctrl-C) and then paste (Ctrl-V) the information back here in your next reply.
There will be some personal information (like System Name and User Name), and whatever appears to be private information to you, just delete it from the pasted information.
Download and install the free version of Speccy from this link (you can uninstall it later if it is your desire):
https://www.ccleaner.com/speccy
Launch Speccy and wait for it to finish analyzing your system.
In Speccy click File, Publish Snapshot, then if you agree click Yes.
Click Copy to Clipboard (this copies the URL to the Windows clipboard).
In your next reply press Ctrl-V to paste the URL to your system details.
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Source: https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/windows-7-error-computer-is-low-on-memory/349577db-e539-4a9b-84db-93a9b81c80a8
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